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Trudeau promises more gun control and goes on the attack against Scheer

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In a preview of the election messaging likely coming this fall, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the Liberals will be promising more gun control measures while Conservative leader Andrew Scheer will roll back some measures already passed.

“We look forward to the very next time Parliament is sitting, hopefully under a Liberal government, where we will be able to introduce further measures to strengthen measures against guns,” Trudeau told reporters at an event with Toronto Mayor John Tory.

 

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Blair thickens the plot...

 

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Truth Tracker: A look at Trudeau's claim that Conservatives are 'in the pocket of the gun lobby'

Faced with questions about a rash of gun violence in some Canadian cities -- most notably in the Toronto area -- Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said his party has a plan to "strengthen gun control" and accused the Conservatives of being “in the pocket of the gun lobby.”

 

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Methinks Blair has a very serious problem. Make me Happy!!

Bill Blair says he never saw plea for help from amputee now running against him


Border Security Minister Bill Blair says he never saw an appeal for help from a disabled soon-to-be-former air force officer who is now challenging him in the upcoming federal election.

Fawcett — who lost a court challenge of the military's refusal to pay her disability benefits for a 2006 traffic accident that claimed both the life of her infant son and her leg — is the nominated federal Conservative candidate in the Toronto-area riding of Scarborough Southwest.

On Thursday, the minister's staff at first denied having received any notes whatsoever pertaining to Fawcett's case. They reversed themselves later in the day after CBC News produced a copy of her email.

The two did exchange emails early in 2017, when — according to Blair — Fawcett sought his support in applying for a Senate seat, two of which were vacant at the time.

They've met on only one occasion, Blair said.



Typical LIEberal, attempting to lie his way out of it, then shrugging it off when he gets caught!
I wish ALL THE BEST for Capt. Kimberly Fawcett in her run against this slimeball!

Cheers,
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MISS dressup DRESSED UP again to look like ALADIN some years back..the leader of the N D P is not impressed.......just saw trudeau facing the news reporters on the liberals jet.....HE'S SORRY, Again !!!!!! I made a mistake (He says) I won't do it again
 

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Glenn, Mo says quit calling him a girl, Girls/Women are much tougher, smarter and have way more class
 

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Yes, it took the Liberals their full mandate to pass their lone gun control measure. What it did was create paperwork for law-abiding gun owners, while failing to deal with the real problem of gangsters with illegal guns.

 

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Trudeau goes for fear over facts once again on gun violence

... doctors were talking about dealing with the violence, the pain and the carnage caused illegal guns wielded by gang members shooting up city streets across the country. Trudeau’s proposals, meanwhile, only targets law-abiding and licensed gun owners.

Have you ever heard of a gang member, Mafia boss or biker buying the guns they use in criminal activity at the local gun store after applying to the RCMP for a licence?

The answer is an obvious no.

Yet, Trudeau is hoping that most people don’t make the connection, don’t ask the obvious questions. The AR-15 rifle that he continues to reference has no history as a crime gun in Canada. I’ve found one instance of this gun being used in a crime in the more than 50 years that the gun has been legal in Canada.

If Trudeau wanted to deal with the concerns raised by the doctors he was sitting with, he would be focused on solutions that deal with crime guns and not the people shooting lawfully at the range on the weekend.

By making the choices that he has, Trudeau shows he wants easy votes rather than real solutions.

 

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Seen a bunch of ads on Wild TV promoting the need to defeat Turdow. Am I the only one who sees the frivolity of the as a waste of time and money. We don't need to preach to the choir what we need is to get and facts out to the unwashed masses. We need some individuals or organizations to counter the lies and fear-mongering with FACTS and truths. Money needs to be spent on informing the public about real issues(and non issues). Firearm owners can not win this fight alone
 

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Seen a bunch of ads on Wild TV promoting the need to defeat Turdow. Am I the only one who sees the frivolity of the as a waste of time and money. We don't need to preach to the choir what we need is to get and facts out to the unwashed masses. We need some individuals or organizations to counter the lies and fear-mongering with FACTS and truths. Money needs to be spent on informing the public about real issues(and non issues). Firearm owners can not win this fight alone
i recorded a bunch of wild tv shows and saw those ads and thought how time sensitive his appeal is...After some thought about it, I think it is important to get all outdoor people informed of the impending changes another mandate will allow Trudeau to implement...it is the only target group wild TV will have any sway with because the uninformed will just dismiss him as a gun nut.. sometimes you need to preach to the choir
 

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Trudeau goes for fear over facts once again on gun violence

... doctors were talking about dealing with the violence, the pain and the carnage caused illegal guns wielded by gang members shooting up city streets across the country. Trudeau’s proposals, meanwhile, only targets law-abiding and licensed gun owners.

Have you ever heard of a gang member, Mafia boss or biker buying the guns they use in criminal activity at the local gun store after applying to the RCMP for a licence?

The answer is an obvious no.

Yet, Trudeau is hoping that most people don’t make the connection, don’t ask the obvious questions. The AR-15 rifle that he continues to reference has no history as a crime gun in Canada. I’ve found one instance of this gun being used in a crime in the more than 50 years that the gun has been legal in Canada.

If Trudeau wanted to deal with the concerns raised by the doctors he was sitting with, he would be focused on solutions that deal with crime guns and not the people shooting lawfully at the range on the weekend.

By making the choices that he has, Trudeau shows he wants easy votes rather than real solutions.

Stats on medical errors
 

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i recorded a bunch of wild tv shows and saw those ads and thought how time sensitive his appeal is...After some thought about it, I think it is important to get all outdoor people informed of the impending changes another mandate will allow Trudeau to implement...it is the only target group wild TV will have any sway with because the uninformed will just dismiss him as a gun nut.. sometimes you need to preach to the choir
I respectfully disagree, yes we need to get out the vote but as I have said all along if someone with some notoriety for something besides hunting/shooting was to talk facts in a calm non radical manner and explain the difference between "street" guns and "sport" guns and the people who use them it would go along way toward educate the public. "My Cold Dead Hand" $hit won't cut it with the uninformed public and the rabid antis wont listen to anyone but a rational educated point by point explaining the difference between our sport and safe use vs the Gangs and their illegal use some at least reasonable people would get the difference between legal and illegal ownership, use and storage. They are only getting the antis radical view right now and have nothing to compare it to. We won't win them all but we can win some and the wins can win 2 friends and so on and so on.
 
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Here is what I would like to see. You are caught with a firearm and do not have authority to carry - an automatic two year jail sentence. Period - no trial - Go directly to jail. No lawyers need to intervene. I know the liberal lawyers would scream bloody murder but too bad. Set up road blocks like they do for drinking drivers and get these scum off the roads.
 

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The Liberal handgun proposal is breathtakingly stupid

For political reasons, they felt like they had to do something. 'Do something' are the two scariest words in politics

 

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I wonder how the buyback would work value wise were he to win? Half tempted to fire up the 3d printer and make & register as many ar and pistol lowers as I can in case the libs win, 3d printing is pretty darn cheap, I wouldn't trust the lowers to actually be used, but for the purposes of selling them to the liberal party....
 

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Here is what I would like to see. You are caught with a firearm and do not have authority to carry - an automatic two year jail sentence. Period - no trial - Go directly to jail. No lawyers need to intervene. I know the liberal lawyers would scream bloody murder but too bad. Set up road blocks like they do for drinking drivers and get these scum off the roads.
I fully agree but the last time they threw a guy in jail with automatic 4 years for carrying a gun in his man purse in Surrey, his lawyer successfully claimed charter rights and freedoms breach and some other crap. He ended up doing some jail time but the minimum didn't stick because like you said, some liberal lawyer gets involved. Think they called it cruel and unusual punishment
 

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Trudeau Is Promising Mass Gun Confiscations He Once Mocked

 

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I fully agree but the last time they threw a guy in jail with automatic 4 years for carrying a gun in his man purse in Surrey, his lawyer successfully claimed charter rights and freedoms breach and some other crap. He ended up doing some jail time but the minimum didn't stick because like you said, some liberal lawyer gets involved. Think they called it cruel and unusual punishment
they also seem to be able to use the excuse that they need to carry for protection from other gangsters trying to kill them
 

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maybe we could have murder banned on a local level also...just imagine, if all the cities, where the vast majority of murders take place, banned murdering in that city it would be so much better...if it only saved one life, it would be worth it
 

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Poll shows Trudeau gun control promises firing blanks

Trudeau hoped that he would be able to campaign on fear of guns, but for the most part, it doesn’t look like that campaign is working.

If votes are the reason for this policy, it isn’t working.

 

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Trudeau's AR-15 ban is about perception, not reality

The Liberal policy will do nothing to stop criminals. It will amount to nothing more than virtue signalling that costs taxpayers hundreds of millions and confiscates private property from law-abiding gun owners who are no threat to anyone.

 

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Watch out for Liberal gun plan and hunting rifles

“In his efforts to pander to ‘progressive voters in the Toronto region, Justin Trudeau promised to ban 250,000 rifles,” said the headline on executive director Tony Bernardo’s letter, labelled “COMMENTARY” in boldface.

“There are only 75,000 AR-15 target rifles registered with the RCMP,” Bernardo’s newsletter says.

“So the obvious question for owners of ‘Non-Restricted rifles is this: “How many of my guns is Trudeau going to confiscate?” the letter says.

“A list will be provided and presented at the appropriate time when we bring forward those new regulations,” said Blair, in the half-hour exchange later posted on the CCFR’s Facebook page.

Giltaca and the CCFR have also warned the Liberal gun plan will eventually extend to non-restricted rifles and shotguns.

 

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Liberal Gun Bans Won’t Stop Gangs, Ex-RCMP Clement Tells CBC

 

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Well one more day until we find out the next 4 years leader of Canada. Hopefully everyone gets the time to get out and vote and the best outcome is achieved..
 

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VOTE !!!!!!! its not just about guns,its STOPPING'' the idiot miss dress-up from driving us so far in dept, we will eventually hit the wall....then.....ya better hope you have a garden ,know where to catch fish !!!!!!
 

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Well hopefully it will still be in doubt by the time we see results but I am not overly optimistic. 121 seats in Ontario which will probably determine who has the most seats.
 

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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will elaborate on his plans for mass gun bans against hunters, farmers and sport shooters after parliament resumes next month, the office of his minister for confiscation said today.

Federally licensed firearm users are working to stop or avoid Trudeau’s incarceration/confiscation orders and wondering how soon they may take effect following his Oct. 21 re-election.



... the Premier has been clear on a hand gun ban. The Premier doesn’t believe in blaming law-abiding hunters and gun-owners for the crimes of gang members. He supports evidence based decisions and stands with of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police.

 

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What's coming down the pipe? A Look into CSSA’s Crystal Ball
by Tony Bernardo - CSSA Executive Director

Many (many!) firearm owners have called and written since the election asking, “What will happen next?” Here’s what we know so far, and what we foresee in the near future.

Bill C-71 will be implemented, in full, probably by the new year. This will do several things – none of them good.

First, owners of Swiss Arms Classic firearms and CZ-858 rifles will be forced to register them as “Prohibited” 12(11) and 12(14) firearms. They will be permitted to keep these guns (for now), and these firearms will have range privileges attached to their “Prohibited” designation.

Registered owners will also have grandfathering “privileges” (aka confiscation by the State when you die) added to their firearm licenses.

There may be a time lag as CFOs across Canada change Range Permits to reflect the legislative shift, i.e., a change from “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms and 12(6) handguns” to “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms, 12(6) handguns, 12(11) and 12(14) rifles.”

How long will these changes take? We don’t know, so stay tuned.

Second, anyone wishing to transfer a Non-Restricted firearm will be forced to obtain a reference number from the Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC). An owner must contact the CFC, enter the Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) information for both the seller and buyer in order to obtain a reference number before a sale, loan or gift transaction may be completed.

This is a permanent record – yet the government claims they aren't bringing back a long gun registry. Right…

Third, Retailers will be forced to keep sales records, now deemed to be “government documents,” for 20 years – and must surrender them to the CFO upon demand.

Fourth, automatic Authorizations to Transport (ATT) for travel to and from clubs within the RPAL holder's province of residence for the purpose of target practice will remain as they are today. ATTs to bring a firearm home from a sale will also be automatic.

However, a new ATT will be required to take a firearm to a gun store, a gunsmith, a gun show and a border crossing. It is unknown if these will be paper or electronic ATTs.

Fifth, our elected officials, the people we elect to make our laws, will no longer be involved in firearms classifications. The RCMP has sole authority to classify firearms and there is no appeal mechanism to correct their (many) mistakes.

On October 23, 2019, Prime Minister Trudeau outlined the priorities his new government will address. Firearms issues were not among the priorities stated. However, he fell short of saying they would not be addressed.

The Public Safety Ministry has their marching orders. While their first priority will be breaking in and educating their new Minister (because Ralph Goodale lost his seat!), do not believe for a moment that the firearms file is dead, or even on the back burner. It’s not.

What’s changed is Ottawa’s power dynamic.

With the Trudeau government's new minority stature, the Liberals are dependent on other political parties to help them pass legislation. This requires some “give and take” on the part of the Liberals for most issues, but there is little hope this “give and take” will apply to the firearms file.

On this front, it will only be “take” because the NDP has long supported a ban on black rifles and handguns, as does the Green Party.

While the Bloc Québécois did not declare their position during the election, there is no evidence to support the premise Bloc Québécois will oppose Liberal gun bans.

Trudeau’s Liberal government will have plenty of support to screw over Canadians for their black rifles, and this will not stop at the AR-15.

The Liberals already stated the Mini-14 and Mini-30 rifles, along with the ubiquitous SKS rifle, will be banned and confiscated. There will be many more.

With the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois complicit in Trudeau’s gun bans, their expansion to include handguns is a forgone conclusion. While citing their resistance to banning handguns during the election campaign, the Liberals will claim pressure from the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois “forced” them into it.

Trudeau will follow New Zealand’s example, so pump-action and lever action rifles and shotguns can't be far behind.

Despite Trudeau's claim he respects hunters, it’s clear these assurances were little more than lip service designed to appeal to the feeble minded.

Clearly there is no place for Canada's 2.2 million gun owners in Trudeau's confederation. But once again, CSSA will be at the head of the pack, working to protect the rights of Canada's gun owners. Stay tuned for more!

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Ottawa – December 2, 2019

In anticipation of the return to parliament this week, the CCFR’s Tracey Wilson penned and submitted a letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Minister of Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness Bill Blair. The letter was sent on behalf of licensed, legal, RCMP vetted gun owners from coast to coast to coast to implore the Liberal government to focus on actual crime and violence rather than implement expensive punitive measures against the very people not committing the crime.

Canadians deserve more than political theatre from our leaders

The Letter:

Hon. Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada Hon. Bill Blair, Minister of Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness House of Commons Ottawa, Canada

Dear Sirs, We write to you today to express our grave concern with some proposed policies coming from your government. As you are aware, there are over 2.2 million licensed, RCMP vetted gun owners across our nation who participate in the shooting sports safely and without issue. We also have a rising gang violence issue in many of our cities and urban areas, fueled by the illicit drug trade and armed with illegal, smuggled guns. These two statements are easily validated and separate in nature.

Your government is considering implementing firearms bans and a buy back program for legal guns. This would be a huge undertaking, with considerable costs rising into the hundreds of millions of dollars, just for sporting rifles alone. If you were to add handguns to the equation this project could soar well into the billion-dollar mark. Historically, firearms have a history in this country since long before Confederation and Canadians own them for good and sufficient reasons. It is well established that they are not the source of violent crime.

Measures such as gun bans would also cost Canada tens of thousands of jobs, close family businesses that have survived generations of ownership and remove billions of dollars from our GDP and tax revenue sources, all with no credible evidence it would have a positive impact on public safety.

We are of the opinion, after consulting with victims groups, survivors impacted by the trauma of gun violence, at-risk youth programs, law enforcement leaders, Canadian Chiefs of Police, and other experts, that these considerable resources would be better served addressing the root causes of violence, treating the victims of trauma, increasing technology at the border to reduce smuggling of illicit firearms and invest in the community programs that would benefit the people most affected. It is noted that none of these groups support gun bans of any kind.

We ask you to consider more effective measures and listen to the voices of those most affected. This country doesn’t operate on unlimited funds, so it is incumbent on all of us to reject the idea of costly and ineffective bans and re-focus on more beneficial measures.

Tracey Wilson VP, Public Relations – Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights www.firearmrights.catracey.wilson@firearmrights.ca

 

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It's a sad situation, but I've given up on any idea, the Liberal parties especially, but any parties
care about what normal everyday citizens think or wish if it doesn't relate to getting votes.
They deal in stirring up emotions rather than facts and they would sell their own mother if it
gleaned them more of those votes.
 

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Matt here again:

... we have a problem with illegally smuggled handguns being used to commit crimes and the government will spend near double buying back legal guns than they will spend on dealing with crime guns.

Specifically on the issue of stopping guns at the border, the government plans to spend seven times more on buying back legal guns than they will spend on stopping the smuggling.

On what planet does this make sense?


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And apparently Blair says Shooting Organizations are pleased with his handgun policy. ALL members need to read and get on board with this. Either we act or surrender.

 
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